orval is very far removed from those two, the funk and sourness tang makes you want to keep drinking. Whereas both Gulden Draaak (thumbs way up) and Nostradamus (thumbs down) are quite heavy/spicy. Definitely a one and done kind of beer.
Gulden Draak ages quite nicely, I have a few bottles that are several years old. Unfortunately lcbo didn't get many so after a month and a half of release they're pretty much all gone.
Another new release of note is La Buteuse by Trou Du Diable. Perhaps my fav Canadian brewery. Their product is even hard to get in Quebec.
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